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| TheRumpledOne 6,529 posts msg #91940 - Ignore TheRumpledOne |
5/2/2010 3:34:20 PM Hey Chetron: http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/blog/business/2010/04/mexicos_immigration_law_far_tougher.html “Authorities, whether federal, state or municipal ... are required to demand that foreigners prove their legal presence in the country, before attending to any issues.” Guess whose law that is? It’s not Arizona’s. It’s Mexico’s Population Law Article 67 and it certainly reads like a “where are your papers” law. The Mexican government opposes Arizona’s take on U.S. law that requires immigrants to carry green cards and visas. The Arizona law allows police to question and arrest suspected illegal immigrants. The Arizona law has sparked calls for boycotts from Hispanic groups and Tucson congressman Raul Grijalva; lawsuits from groups like the ACLU and Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund and a travel warning from the Mexican government for Mexicans headed to Arizona. An Amnesty International report released Wednesday said illegal immigrants in Mexico (often from Central America) face rapes, kidnappings and mistreatment, and Mexican police turn a blind eye. “Migrants in Mexico are facing a major human rights crisis leaving them with virtually no access to justice, fearing reprisals and deportation if they complain of abuses,” said Rupert Knox, Mexico researcher of the human rights group. “Persistent failure by the authorities to tackle abuses carried out against irregular migrants has made their journey through Mexico one of the most dangerous in the world,” the report said. Other highlights of the AI report on Mexico include: • Kidnappings of migrants, mainly for ransom, reached new heights in 2009, with the National Human Rights Commission (CNDH) reporting that nearly 10,000 were abducted over six months and almost half of interviewed victims saying that public officials were involved in their kidnapping. • An estimated six of 10 migrant women and girls experience sexual violence, allegedly prompting some human smugglers to demand that women receive contraceptive injections ahead of the journey, to avoid them getting pregnant as a result of rape. |
| chetron 2,817 posts msg #91941 - Ignore chetron |
5/2/2010 3:52:32 PM INALIENABLE RIGHTS COME BEFORE ALL LAWS OF THE LAND. HTH |
| TheRumpledOne 6,529 posts msg #91942 - Ignore TheRumpledOne |
5/2/2010 5:32:19 PM INALIENABLE RIGHTS COME BEFORE ALL LAWS OF THE LAND. ==================================================== Really? And who determines what are INALIENABLE RIGHTS? |
| chetron 2,817 posts msg #91948 - Ignore chetron |
5/2/2010 7:17:08 PM YOU ARE THE ONE THAT POSTED IT, DON'T YOU READ WHAT YOU POST? |
| alf44 2,025 posts msg #91950 - Ignore alf44 modified |
5/2/2010 9:04:23 PM TRO, Surely YOU don't need to be reminded that... uhhh ... hello ... YOU ... "Avery T. Horton" (aka. TheRumpledOne) ... ARE a BLACK MAN ... uhhh ... LIVING ... IN freakin' Arizona ... YOU are apparently ... in favor of a LAW ... IN YOUR OWN DAMN STATE ... that is blatantly racially discriminatory ... YOU are apparently ... publically confessing your support of a law ... for what is ... at it's core ... "Racial Profiling" !!! ---- As a MAN ... a BLACK MAN ... how can YOU possibly be in favor of this racially biased law ? For God's sake, man ... how do YOU frickin' sleep at night ? Do YOU have a conscience ? ----- I'm old enough to remember ... segregated Schools ! I'm old enough to remember ... Black and White sections at the movie theatre ! I'm old enough to remember ... Black and White water fountains ! I am outraged at this "law" ... and ... uhhh ... for the record ... I'm a white guy ! ----- That YOU ... a "black" man ... are not outraged by this "racially discriminatory law" ... is ... EVEN for a misguided buffoon like YOU ... frankly ... SCHOCKING !!! YOU should be ashamed of yourself !!! imo ----- I'm done ... respond if you like ... I won't !!! You're pathetic !!! |
| TheRumpledOne 6,529 posts msg #91956 - Ignore TheRumpledOne modified |
5/3/2010 1:29:47 AM First, I bet you have NEVER read the law. Second, the law enables the police to enforce the FEDERAL LAW. If the FEDERAL LAW was racist, then it would have been challenged in court. Third, my race, color, creed, sex, religion, etc... has nothing to do with my wanting the law to be enforced. This debate is about the law not about me. Quit trying to kill the messenger. Fourth, you won't respond because you can not with this argument with logic or fact. |
| Eman93 4,750 posts msg #91957 - Ignore Eman93 |
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| machismo 115 posts msg #91958 - Ignore machismo |
5/3/2010 2:26:30 AM The law has already been amended and reduced to a lesser fine and investigate immigration status incident to a "lawful stop, detention, or arrest,Arizona HB2162. I am sure challenges to the law must be already in process(not the first law thats ever challenged). But if anyone can say they are citizen and thus avoid the whole enforcement of the law then what difference will it make, surely citizens of instate and outstate are not required to carry their citizenship papers. And I think Chet was referring to this thread by TRO, maybe ??? SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS http://forums.stockfetcher.com/sfforums/?q=view&fid=1001&tid=87239&qrid=&isiframe= |
| chetron 2,817 posts msg #91962 - Ignore chetron modified |
5/3/2010 7:06:31 AM NO, THE BELOW POST IS ONE, YOU SEE WHEN TRO WANTS TO OVERTHROW, OR INCITE OTHERS TO DO THE DIRTY WORK, THE GOVERNMENT, HE KNOWS THIS IS AGAINST THE LAW SO HE QUOTES THE BILL OF RIGHTS TO CLAIM HIS UNALIENABLE RIGHT TO DO SO. IT'S OK FOR HIM TO CLAIM THEM, JUST NO ONE ELSE CAN, FOR THINGS LIKE FREEDOM. TheRumpledOne - Ignore TheRumpledOne 12/9/2007 11:57:51 AM TERRORISM: When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world. |
| TheRumpledOne 6,529 posts msg #91997 - Ignore TheRumpledOne modified |
5/3/2010 5:28:30 PM Who does the BILL OF RIGHTS refer to? Anyone? US Citizens? I still think if an illegal alien wanders onto your property, you are going to either pick up the phone to call the police or pick up a weapon and confront the trespasser. Then again you might welcome them into your home but I doubt it. If we adopted the MEXICAN IMMIGRATION LAW, the problem would be solved... THINK ABOUT IT!! |
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